All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. And thats a healthy outlook. Sonequa Martin-Green as Burnham hugging Mary Wiseman as Tilly in Coming Home. The Enterprise D was the only place we saw a councelor. Star Trek: Discovery threw a shocker into its latest episode as Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly decided to leave the Discovery crew. Its not celebrating obesity to say that her body is her business and nobody elses. There is also the issue that a crew needing constant therapy sessions while regularly saving the galaxy is not an easy narrative trick to pull off. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. I keep reading she shouldnt be in Starfleet because she is socially and emotionally immature. I think Saru will just be the surrogate first officer again although he is now a captain. Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. To be honest I think she is more attractive than the mostly skinny cast of most series. She hasnt mentored anyone except in one episode. By existing? He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. Thats the thought I had last season, when they had the perfect chance to wirte out Burnam (I believe it was Reunification III or the one after that) and they just didnt follow through at the end. Way too many issues. None of those thinks make a lick of sense. Shes not going anywhere. That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. Obligatory mention of the stupid turbolifts and how dumb they are. Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. Lol. Exactly. As an officer shes supposed to be leader. My point is, a lot of the shamers are probably ashamed of themselves for being overweight and project it onto others. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. And tons dont. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew,. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. I agree, the writing, character development, and story telling needs to improve. Shes loved. And I just really love having Janeway back. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. David, has Michael becoming captain changed Books relationship with her? Hopefully next season they will be given more development. Right!? Marys my TV crush for the last 3 years. In fact, thats all the Discovery crew is qualified as in the 32nd century. Finally, actress Rekha Sharma shared this fun behind-the-scenes photo with Doug Jones and David Benjamin Tomlinson, where she lamented Landry being killed off yet again. Well, Renos really more engineering. I agree with you on principle as far at this being fine on a fictional Star Trek show. Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. I have considered it and rejected it. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. Overweight and obesity are not a matter of looks or body shape, and those who feel free to body-shame are off-side and frequently unkind. (Hey, Im likely one of the oldest people here, and its too easy/lazy to remain stuck in the 1960s and 70s! Smart doesnt mean competent. Tilly's Discovery Season 4 Exit & Season 5 Future Explained Im glad we are finally seeing it. Events in David Macks two books towards the end of that series ( A Time to Kill and A Time to Heal) have a profound impact throughout the rest of the Litverse. I never thought of Adira as being all that similar, but I see your point. Take me to the stars and tell me a story. But then again Im not a troll. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Where is this? At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew, one of which was with the pair-up of Mary Wiseman (Tilly) and David Ajala (Book). If Tilly needed to pick up a phaser or be physically active then that means the Discovery is in some serious shit, with it either having been boarded and their entire security personnel neutralised, or with Tilly separated from the ship, most like due to its destruction. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. I like me. Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. It feels the only reason was to have a non-binary character, which after a few episodes ended up fading into the background with the rest of the furniture anyway. Not with DSC, not with ANYTHING. Weight Gain Explained Rumors are going on that Mary Wiseman is pregnant and she has gained weight. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. He has been part of the Litverse writers room run by Pocket Books and knows not only Beyers works but the books written by others in great detail, and across all eras. That finale appearance was basically a cameo. And I just let the writers take me on a journey. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. Come on she looks great. Story: With . It would definitely be great if Rhys was promoted to first officer. Definitely a character created for the TikTok generation to like.. high five, hugs and ditziness with lots of over emotional feelings on display. Wiseman would be smart to ignore the haters because their posts are rooted in negativity and hate. It was the fall of 2017 and my non-Trekkie wife, Lisa, had begrudgingly agreed to watch Star Trek: Discovery with me, having heard me talk nonstop about how excited I was for Trek's return to TV.We were on the third episode, "Context is for Kings," when she appeared. Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. Where did all the good writers go?? We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. Its this kind of nonsense that ruins Discovery. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Perhaps season four will address Burnham and Tillys unreadiness on more than an emotional level. There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. And so she will be part of this universe and this world for many years to come. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. Keep up the great work ladies! The audience is growing due to our amazing loyalty, but I give them credit toobecause Discovery, we have all these new shows. In her interview with TrekMovie last week, Discovery co-showrunner Michelle Paradise echoed these sentiments: Well never be done with Tilly. It was so fun. There are a lot of people in the comments hating, but in a franchise that includes Neelix, Wesley Crusher, Naomi Wildman, Kes, and Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. It is their choice to be as they choose to be, and their responsibility to deal with the pros and cons of whatever fitness choices they choose. And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. My lady, you are so fine that I want to have your baby. Mary Wiseman: We dont have that many scenes together but theres a lot of tension between us just as actors and personalities. Sonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. We love that someone who isnt super fit was cast, especially that its a woman. Actually, the production team is not helping either. The character. Mary Wiseman: That that could be a very powerful person in the Mirror Universe. out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform. I have to agree. And if people are critical of her because her appearance does not meet their expectations, they dont really have a clue of what Star Trek is all about. That was why she was never in uniform the first few seasons. Such use is more overt in DISCO, but it is by no means out of the ordinary. Respectfully, to anyone somehow offended by that. Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. I guess making Tilly first officer isnt anywhere close to ridiculous as making KT Kirk a Captain who was still a cadet and had probably spent 2 weeks in space before he got the jobbut its pretty damn close. Editor's note, 23 Dec 2020: If you like Wiseman's interview here, then you should also check out interviewer Dawn Ennis's other work. In fact most iterations of Trek the actors have provided a neutral delivery of their native accent. No spoilers in case I ever decide to actually the write the thing, but youd love it as a DS9 fan. Wiseman had other things to do. Actress Mary Wiseman did a series of media . Overweight and obesity are a leading health risk identified by the World Health Organization. So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. Mary Wiseman as Tilly in episode 402, Anomaly. Although it is true that on *average*, overweight people are less healthy than other people, it is also entirely possible to be overweight and healthy. As you put it: I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. I gave this dumpster fire of far left propaganda 4 seasons. These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. What a surprise. He was a cool character and one of the best things about season 3. They told us and a handful of other outlets what to expect for their characters and more. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. Its sci-fi, brah. Mary Wiseman Talks Tilly's Future On 'Star Trek: Discovery' Biography The Trek Collective has a flowchart for the Litverse which is helpful. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. I highly doubt the writers decided to just write her off for the hell of it (especially given how much everyone in the cast and crew love her). Youre perfect as you are. But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. By: Laurie Ulster Have to completely agree you T2. For more info or tickets visit the Lincoln Center Theater site. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. If you cant deal with the idea of conflicting opinions then I really dont think you should be online at the moment. Its one thing thats definitely been improved upon by the more recent stuff. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. Mary's fans are curious to know if she is indeed expecting a little one but the rumors are false. This post (handouts bad habits yada yada yada) is your latest misogny, homophobia and white supremacy , and I am sick and tired of it. At the other end, underweight is also unhealthy and associated with other risks, but gets less negative attention in entertainment. She opted that she had a different calling within the world of teaching and, in the end, she decided that she wanted to chase that feeling. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. Yet, she is. Is Tilly Pregnant in Real Life? Star Trek Cast's Weight Gain Story Sharing? Anyway, another Discovery-ism, amongst the many other weird decisions on this show. Shes only competent because of her character shield, shes mentally and emotionally immature, out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform, and would barely survive in a high school, let alone in any capacity at an actual Starfleet. Its a tricky one, as someone who is outside America and didnt have English as the first language growing up its more noticeable. I will have to go check it out. DSC had many issues at the beginning. Its odd that the bridge crew still feels in the background although they are being used more. Like maybe he would be way too codependent or something? Weight gain from thyroid issues, anti depressants, steroids, is a fairly small percent of the population. What? I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. What is wrong, pretty bad to read, is fans mocking the actors, it is actually very sexist, not cool. And yeah the Full Circle stories do sound a bit depressing especially since SPOILER ALERT they kill off Janeway in them! should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). Like a lot of people, she pivoted and found herself in a new role as teacher. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. 'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 4 Episode 13 Recap: A - TVLine Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. A rare, successful example of this is James Gunns Guardians otG and Suicide Squad, in which a similar premise is treated comedically yet with a touch of sincerity, so as not to devolve into outright farce. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! However, with the successive changes in show runners the coherence of Burnhams development has been lost. You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. Shes a product of poor writing, constantly ditzy and trying to be the light relief to the point where its eye rolling. And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. Mary Wiseman (actress) - Wikipedia Im sure nearly everyone of the crew of TNG had issues and problems. Mary Wiseman: That experience affects her so much this season. | December 23, 2020 | I agree! When all evidence points to her character not being loved or even liked (the actress is fine; shes been poorly handled by the writers (Michelle Paradise). Hey writers room go back to TNG and see how a child became an honourary bridge officer on the Enterprise D. (something equally puzzling to say the least) Picard did it because the Traveller who could traverse space time and see the future and past told Picard it was extremely important to encourage the boy. A Stitch in Time kicks off the Garak/Cardassian books and is excellent. Look at the progression of Nog on DS9 from Quarks juvenile-delinquent nephew in season 1 to Starfleet Ensign in the Dominion War on how writers can make you believe in a characters growth and progression. Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? Mack is one of the core group of Trek authors going back to shortly before Nemesis. It was a novelty in his first story and they turned it on its head when he got zapped and made super-smart, but most of the time hes very trying, especially when he gets thrown onto Voyager. Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. She is relatable and human and wonderful. I think the CW has been using something like this for years. Good for Mary! Especially when there were just so many more qualified people for the job on and off the ship. For someone who is supposed to care about others, shes been remarkably stuck in her own emotions. They basically wrote her off the show! Make it make sense! I would prefer to finish the rest of Prodigy first season instead. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. Someone with a lack of intelligence throws a race card at every debate. Just underused. By: TrekMovie.com Staff I dont see a repeated notion that DISCO saved Trek by heavily incorporating emotion into their characters. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. Sonequa Martin-Green in Unification III, Co-showrunner Michelle Paradise shared some behind-the-scenes photos from Terra Firma, Part 2.. People sit around a lot more nowadays for a lot of reasons. I wonder what the advertisers behind this site think of posts like this. Jake is about 45-50 and one of the two lead characters. Mary Wiseman told Forbes, It was tricky, but it was a really, really fun and satisfying challenge.. The doctor was usually the therapist. Internationally, the series is available on Paramount+ in Australia, Latin America and the Nordics, and on Pluto TV in Austria, France, Germany . In a Paramount+ featurette (which you can see below) about the making of the episode, Wiseman talks about how Tilly has changed: Coming back for the finale was really exciting for me because she comes back in this fully black Starfleet suit. Unless you want to count Ezri Dax she was a therapist but I dont believe she heald a high ranking command position. Im sorry if the idea of someone not like Discovery upsets you, but its unreasonable to expect people to change their minds for that reason. Probably some admirals cousin. Like her prime universe counterpart, Tilly was portrayed by Mary Wiseman.. Tilly was presumably killed when the Discovery was destroyed in the prime universe.. Apocrypha. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. That being said, knowing what weight restrictions there are for men and women serving avoid combat ships in todays Navy, my bet would be she would need to lose some weight to preserve her shipboard assignment in todays real-world Navy. #StarTrekDiscovery #MirrorLandry pic.twitter.com/Ed0nbToiQH, Rekha the leaves (@TheRekhaSharma) December 19, 2020. . And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, From future Starfleets POV, thats 900 years! Martin-Green says she has come to accept changes in her body, especially after the birth of her second child shortly before production on season three: With my first pregnancy I bounced back without trying (which is a crime, by the way, that we expect women to do that after birth rather than focus on healing). each series has traditionally had someone that acts as a way to explore the inner humanityie spock, data, odo, doc/seven. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. What I should point out though is that Mack earned the moniker Angel of Death among the Litverse fans. If I was a public figure I would do zero social media, ignore the internet, cash my massive paychecks, sign autographs for real in-person fans I meet, and be so thankful Im not working in a grunt job making minimum wage. Where I live people compete on the merits and are proud of their professional or intellectual achievements not their bad habits, bad health or even born with attributes such as divergent sexual orientation that they had no influence over whatsoever. Saru would then recognize the potential in her, give her opportunities to build her self esteem and confidence, and wed get a good arc that doesnt seem forced like it does now. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. This show has been for a niche of Trek fandom not the mainstream. Fans need to stop being rude and act like gentlemen for once. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. 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Learning? Ive learned a lot of bad spelling comes from dictating into your smartphone. Mary Wiseman is a good actress but even with that, if Star Trek Discovery was shot in 80s or 90s producers would probably force her to go on a diet or even fire her. Its very likely shell be on the Star Fleet Academy show if she continues as a regular/recurring character on a Trek show. First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. Mary Wiseman as Captain Killy in Terra Firma, Part 2. Right? I suppose thats why some places are rising and others are very visibly in decline. Yes, I like both Barclay and Tilly. We have both Mary Wiseman and Sonequa Martin-Green talking about body issues, Kate Mulgrew jumping in too, and some more behind-the-scenes photos. But I really do like Book a lot! Yes! I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). That could be it. Im proud to see that shes proud of herself. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. David Ajala: What about Grudge in the mirror universe? The Relaunch Litverse books for DS9 are uneven in my reading experience as compared to the TNG and the Voyager books once Beyer took over. (OMG, weve gone way off topic lol. Is Mary Wiseman Pregnant? Weight Gain And Pregnancy Rumor Of The Season four of Star Trek: Discovery arrives on Thursday, November 18 on Paramount+. Personally I dont find that inspiring in any way whatsoever. They just didnt do much with him. She wears 36D bra size and weighs 147 pounds. She makes it all look so easy. I agree, in fairness Barclay was relatable in many ways, socially awkward but not too overplayed. It is incredibly bad and is a publicly dangerous message to be sending. So. You misunderstood. Im sorry but what youve described about Tilly is like something out of a Nickelodeon teen high school drama. While Tilly had big dreams in Star Trek: Discovery season 1, she struggled with feelings of inadequacy and was hindered by a social awkwardness that often left her feeling like an outsider. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. However, the problem with Tilly (and this really is more of a Star Trek Discovery problem because it exists with every character they do this to) is that she never made strides or attempts to improve. Background information. Tillys anxiety got old real fast. Overcome her issues. No, from Starfleets POV its 3 years. The Terra Firma arc introduced the real Mirror Universe version of Tilly (aka Captain Killy). I assume my feelings towards them are what Wesley-haters endure. Too nervous and anxious. Everybody loves is an idiom, it should never be taken as a strict statement. We want people to get their facts from reliable health sources, not celebrities, so saying actors should be sending some sort of fitness message is just backwards. Disco has a lot of problems storywise But not her looks! Star Trek: Discovery | Tilly Chooses To Live | Paramount+ Maybe not but what are your thoughts? Fortunately, more than 30 years ago I was encouraged to focus on the health aspects of eating well and training hard and not the aesthetics. She would have flushed out of SFA in her first year. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. Is Tilly leaving 'Discovery'? Star Trek star explains that shocking Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history But I think one of the things that leaves everyone feeling unmoored in this situation is they dont even know how to use their skills to deal with this because its something theyve never seen before, and they cant predict it, they dont know by which rules its operating, and how to even engage. As soon as she was, they should have rewritten Tilly from being a cadet to being a lieutenant or something. Trolls that bodyshame others are a lower life form. The future doesnt have a preferred accent. One reason why I think people gravitated towards Trip the most on Enterprise was that the combination of writing and performances created one of the most believable humans in Star Trek this side of Dr. McCoy and Chief OBrien. Its all pretty subjective. Everybody loves ., meant literally, is never true. Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. Star Trek: Discovery actor Mary Wiseman has a - Daily Star Trek News CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. Just mentioning few of their values. Thats the whole point why they wanted HER to teach at the newly formed Academy They wanted someone with the original 23rd century optimism and enthusiasm I share that notion a lot And yeah, Im glad Starfleet doesnt work like actual military, And no, S3 was not stupidity. Wiseman possess voluptuous hourglass shaped figure. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Im mostly just curious if Tillys removal from Disco came from Wiseman looking to do other projects or if they wrote it in and broke the news that she was getting cut as a regular. 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